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Txbear
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(Date Posted:21/10/2007 22:01:56)
I am a bit confused in the use of Accordions versus the use of Concertinas in Irish music. It seems a C/G tuned Concertina is standard, but a two row Accordion is most commonly tuned B/C or C#D (though I know many people successfully play a G/C box). Perhaps the difference is that a thirty key C/G Concertina has that row of accidentals...Would a 20 key C/G Concertina be useable?
Some shared wisdom would be appreciated. Maybe I should just go to www.Concertina.net for the answers.
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Lester Bailey
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(Date Posted:21/10/2007 23:13:26)
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Maybe I should just go to www.concertina.net for the answers.
John
You could also try http://www.thesession.org/where they profess to know all about ITM
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Polkaholic
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(Date Posted:21/10/2007 23:25:17)
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Would a 20 key C/G Concertina be useable? Some shared wisdom would be appreciated. Maybe I should just go to www.Concertina.net for the answers.
If you want to play with other people, it's probably not a lot of use. You'd be scuppered for anything with two sharps in the key signature, which is probably half the repertoire or more. If you really want to stick with a 20-button concertina, then you'd probably be better off with one in G/D for Irish music, if you can find one - but do ask the people at the concertina.net forums.
If you're not bothered about getting out and playing with others, you could have fun with a 20-button of course. You could play "along the rows", playing D tunes in C, and so on. This is what some of the older generation of Irish players did, for example Kitty Hayes, who recently made a duet CD with a piper playing a set of C pipes:
http://www.theyllbegoodyet.com/
The most attractive thing about 20-button boxes is that vintage ones don't command a very high price compared to 30-button models of the same make.
BTW G/C melodeon players in France are in the same quandary - every now and then there is a query on the yahoo "diato" group asking what Irish tunes can be got on a 2-row G/C, and the usual answer boils down to, anything with one sharp or no sharps in the key signature. This includes, apart from tunes in G, tunes in D-mixolydian and D-dorian, of which there are quite a few.
Steve
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(Date Posted:22/10/2007 23:55:18)
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BTW G/C melodeon players in France are in the same quandary - every now and then there is a query on the yahoo "diato" group asking what Irish tunes can be got on a 2-row G/C, and the usual answer boils down to, anything with one sharp or no sharps in the key signature. This includes, apart from tunes in G, tunes in D-mixolydian and D-dorian, of which there are quite a few.
Should have gone to Concertina.net first. Did a search and got all the answers....basically, forget a 20 key concertina, you need a 26 key at least and might as well get a 30. A twenty key is not bad, it actually can force you into an "old time" style, but you can still do that on a 30 by staying away from the third row. I enjoy my 20 key Lachenal and use it mainly for private playing. I may be calling Bob Tedrow, though.
As far as a box is concerned, I gather you can get by on a G/C especially with a row of accidentals, but you loose some fingerings and probably some speed (among other things). If someone wants to get serious with Irish, you need that B/C or C#D box. As for me and Irish music, I may end up sticking with my whistles (both low and high). One row Cajun style melodeon and Cajun music is still my first interest. |
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