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linway
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(Date Posted:19/03/2007 20:29:20)
Anyone out there have a recipe for making accordion reed wax? and where one can buy the pine resin, is it available in powdered form? thanks
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(Date Posted:19/03/2007 21:57:06)
50% Beeswax
50% rosin
5% oil - white oil, or liquid paraffin is what I use, I've also heard of olive oil being used but I've not tried it.
I know that is 105% but you know what I mean. The proportions are not that precise. You can probably get away with a little less rosin. The wax must be beeswax, paraffin wax is completely usuitable.
In a double container with water in the outer, heat carefully till the wax and rosin have all melted, It takes a long time and much gentle stirring to get all the rosin to dissolve in the melted wax.
WARNING hot wax is inflammable, take extreme care, don't leave the room while heating the mix.
Warning2 melted wax sticks to most surfaces (thats why we use it) if you spill it on the kitchen floor you will be very very unpopular.
Printmakers use rosin as an etch resist, try googling for "lump rosin" you don't need it powdered.
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(Date Posted:20/03/2007 00:10:36)
Or: the easy way = do like me. I bought it in a finished mix on ebay from Charliecgm, who also is online in this forum. It's cheap, and I have had very good results with using it. www.ebay.co.uk search for accordion wax.
But, no way near as fun as making it from scratch!
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(Date Posted:20/03/2007 09:37:14)
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Or: the easy way = do like me. I bought it in a finished mix on ebay from Charliecgm, who also is online in this forum. It's cheap, and I have had very good results with using it. www.ebay.co.uk search for accordion wax.But, no way near as fun as making it from scratch!
Ah, but Theo's tastes better.
Squeak.
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(Date Posted:20/03/2007 10:50:37)
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Printmakers use rosin as an etch resist
And I know an artist who uses the rosin for his etchings to rosin up his fiddle bow (perhaps this is quite normal though for fiddling etchers )
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Theo Gibb
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(Date Posted:20/03/2007 10:56:59)
Reply to : lars_jakabov
Or: the easy way = do like me. I bought it in a finished mix on ebay from Charliecgm, who also is online in this forum. It's cheap, and I have had very good results with using it. www.ebay.co.uk search for accordion wax.But, no way near as fun as making it from scratch!
I only make my own because I have about 20kg of beeswax left over from my beekeeping days. It would probably work out cheaper to buy it ready made, but I get some satisfaction from making my own. An accountant would probably tell me I was wasting my time.
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(Date Posted:21/03/2007 07:15:38)
I used to import it ready-made, but government quarantine restrictions on beeswax products have now made it almost impossible, especially since they've trained those cute little beagles to sniff it out....
Apparently beeswax has been known to be used as a masking agent for certain illegal substances, which is a more likely reason for the tightened regulations (or am I just being a cynic???)
MC (ex dog-lover)
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(Date Posted:22/03/2007 00:21:39)
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I used to import it ready-made, but government quarantine restrictions on beeswax products have now made it almost impossible, especially since they've trained those cute little beagles to sniff it out....Apparently beeswax has been known to be used as a masking agent for certain illegal substances, which is a more likely reason for the tightened regulations (or am I just being a cynic???)MC (ex dog-lover)
Nooo, it's a secret government plot against melodeon repairers I tell you 
I wonder what the problem is with beeswax, maybe it's something to do with these mite infestations that bees get.....
Getting it ready mixed sounds a good idea, though if you're anything like me you'll just end up spreading it over the furniture, friends, family and any passing wildlife.
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(Date Posted:22/03/2007 11:15:15)
Just a thought
I have purchased wax from this company for my day job, they are very helpful.
If you need large amounts in the UK may be worth a call.
http://www.britishwax.com/home.htm
malcolm
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(Date Posted:23/03/2007 03:33:10)
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I wonder what the problem is with beeswax, maybe it's something to do with these mite infestations that bees get
It mite bee...
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(Date Posted:01/05/2007 09:06:44)
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Anyone out there have a recipe for making accordion reed wax? and where one can buy the pine resin, is it available in powdered form? thanks
Hello, I'm new here, but I have the recipe for wax from the Colombo & Sons Accordion Company of San Francisco, California.
They began business in 1907, here in San Francisco. I recently met the last owner (the grandson of the founder) of the company and he shared this formula with me:
There are two kinds of wax used in construction. The first is used to hold the reed plates to the reed blocks.
Proportions are by weight.
60% Bees wax (from a local source--he actually got the beeswax from beekeepers in Mill Valley, California, just north of San Francisco).
40% Tree rosin, which is to say, pine rosin, which is commonly used as inexpensive bow rosin. This works very well, in my experience. Small blocks of this rosin are available here for about $1 USD.
To this mixture, add a "few drops" of linseed oil. Perhaps 1/4 teaspoon per pound.
I was told to let the mixture cool in a suitable container, and let it stand for a day or two. Mr. Piatenese claims that this is important and "lets it blend better". Since he made accordions of the highest quality for 50 years, I won't dispute his recommendation.
Now for the second wax, which is used to hold the reed leathers to the reed plates. That's correct. Not glue, wax.
40% Beeswax, as described above.
60% Rosin, as described above.
A "few drops" of linseed oil, as described above.
This is a particularly tough sticky adhesive, but on overhaul, it can be removed with common solvents, leaving the reed plates clean and fresh. I own an accordion that is 70 years old and has this wax holding the reed leathers. I can assure you it is durable. ;-) I also recommend it for gluing pallets to key rods. When key height is subsequently adjusted, and the pallet is tilted and leaks air, just touch it with a soldering iron and it will self-align to cover the port.
Mr. Gordon Piatenese is the grandson of Colombo Piatenese, and is in his 80's. He lives, by remarkable coincidence, just a mile from me in Fairfax, California. I had purchased a Colombo Chromatic/Piano accordion from an estate sale (yes, chromatic buttons AND a piano keyboard--41 piano keys, 48 working buttons--on the same instrument. And 140 bass buttons too!).
Photos can be found on my website, which is at:
http://www.bogusnet.net/gallery/
I am going to overhaul it, and wanted to get some advice from the factory before undertaking this job. Mr. Piatenese was most accomodating. He's a bit like the "Patrick Moore of accordions" around here.
I hope this "old school" recipe is distributed and you find it useful.
Warmest Regards,
Robert English
Fairfax, California, USA
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linway
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(Date Posted:03/05/2007 01:59:12)
Thanks Robert and others, Robert his recipe seems appropriate, 60% bees wax and 40% pine resin, it's close to Reuther's recipe of 65% beeswax and 35% resin and close to theos of 50% to 50%, i'll use the 60/40 and thanks for the other recipe too for the glue
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Theo Gibb
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(Date Posted:03/05/2007 10:36:06)
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Thanks Robert and others, Robert his recipe seems appropriate, 60% bees wax and 40% pine resin, it's close to Reuther's recipe of 65% beeswax and 35% resin and close to theos of 50% to 50%, i'll use the 60/40 and thanks for the other recipe too for the glue
Hi Linway,
Did you manage to find a supply of rosin?
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linway
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(Date Posted:04/05/2007 14:44:44)
Yes, Theo, found a supplier of lump pine resin, and i can buy the small cubes of bow resin (rosin) here in canada but it's expensive. Theres lots of woods here in New Brunswick, Canada where i live including pine trees, i'm thinking of cutting off some gum/sap and experimenting with making reed wax with it???,Wayne
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Theo Gibb
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(Date Posted:04/05/2007 15:28:50)
Mmm, wild accordion wax! Fantastic!
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(Date Posted:08/11/2007 07:06:21)
I own a diatonic concertina (C/G) and recently discovered that, during a cross-country move, the reedplates fell off when the accordion wax melted (guess it doesn't like 109 degree Nevada weather?)
I can't seem to find a direct supplier of pre-made accordion wax, so I was going to make my own... I saw one place recommend a 90/10 beeswax/rosin mixture, but this 65/35 seems to make a lot more sense (I can't see 90/10 being tacky enough to prevent the plates from melting off again)
The beeswax is easy to find, but I'm having trouble with the rosin -- in what form should it be purchased to mix in with the wax? I see lump resin (usually used as an incense), blocks of rosin (for string instrument bows), and rosin flux. What form is the best for accordion wax?
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(Date Posted:08/11/2007 14:04:25)
Hi Guys
Our local hardware is a haven for the local ludites. If you need a proper tool, or some substance by weight, well that's where you go. They used to sell rosin in powder form by the Kg. Apparently it was used by the local gymnasts to stop their hands from slipping on the parallell bars.
A place to get pre-made accordion wax is FRM Enterprises in Montreal,Canada. I really hope they're still in business. Frank Romano was the guy to talk to. Does anybody out there in Melodeon land know if Frank's still at it????
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(Date Posted:08/11/2007 15:53:19)
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A place to get pre-made accordion wax is FRM Enterprises in Montreal,Canada. I really hope they're still in business. Frank Romano was the guy to talk to. Does anybody out there in Melodeon land know if Frank's still at it????
That was easy - after a Google search I just phoned and spoke to Mr. Romano. Still in business. He remembers you and said to give you his e-mail address. So here it is, for you and anybody else.
FRM ENTERPRISES
7250 Durocher Street #2
Montréal, Québec H3N 1Z9
Telephone: (514) 274-9793.
Fax: (514) 270-9717.
E-mail: info@frment.com
Steve
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