Theo Gibb
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(Date Posted:05/07/2007 11:06:07)
Sweets of May is a G/Am/G sandwich
Horses Branle is in G and goes into Gm near the end
Holtwood Reel A/Bm
Jock Wilson D/Bm
Lots and lots that switch between G and D major of course, but I don't know that many that move between Maj and Min.
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(Date Posted:05/07/2007 11:58:17)
Reply to : Theo Gibb
Sweets of May is a G/Am/G sandwichHorses Branle is in G and goes into Gm near the endHoltwood Reel A/BmJock Wilson D/BmLots and lots that switch between G and D major of course, but I don't knowthatmany that move between Maj and Min.
some tunes normally played in G&D on the G row can of course be played in D & A on the D row if you want to make them sound a bit different. La Russe sounds very nice (to me if nobnody else!) played in D & A and has been recorded that way by at least one very well known boxplayer. Its all about experimenting a bit rather than doing it a particular way because thats the way its done by every other bugger! No reason why a whole veriety of 2 part tunes cant be played in a major/minor combination if you like the way it comes sounds.
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Pete-of-Ebor
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(Date Posted:05/07/2007 12:39:41)
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Reply to : Theo GibbSweets of May is a G/Am/G sandwichHorses Branle is in G and goes into Gm near the endHoltwood Reel A/BmJock Wilson D/BmLots and lots that switch between G and D major of course, but I don't knowthatmany that move between Maj and Min.some tunes normally played in G&D on the G row can of course be played in D & A on the D row if you want to make them sound a bit different. La Russe sounds very nice (to me if nobnody else!) played inD & A and has been recorded that way by at least one very well known boxplayer. Its all about experimenting a bit rather than doing it a particular way because thats the way its done by every other bugger! No reason why a whole veriety of 2 part tunes cant be played in a
As I recently posted elsewhere, I usually play Atholl Highlanders in D rather than the more usual A, but it does drop (or should that be that rise ?) nicely to Em, which normally confuses everyone - often including me ! As for other G>Em - well strictly Em>G - There's Woodland Revels and for G>D>G>Em, I've heard that some players include a 4th part to Primrose Polka - played in Em.
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(Date Posted:05/07/2007 14:15:36)
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I was just trying to put some tunes together and it occurred to me that I know many tunes in a major key and many more in a minor key (let's not get too pedantic about minor vs modal etc !!), but I know very few where the tune changes from, let's say, the A part being in G major and the B part in E minor. Rochdale Coconut Dance was one that came to mind and Jolly Bird was another but there must be loads more. Can anyone share some of their favourites ?CheersPaulyWorly
Off the top of my head -
The Champion - a jig in the Country Dance Manuals in Em/G
Reel Eugene - a French Canadien reel in Em/G
The Radstock Jig - weird combination/modulation of keys.
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(Date Posted:05/07/2007 14:21:23)
Barroom Branle, in Em and C... [edit] No, my bad. That's in D and C, isn't it?
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(Date Posted:05/07/2007 15:47:52)
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(snip) there must be loads more. Can anyone share some of their favourites ?CheersPaulyWorly
__. Key changes are very popular in Quebec, mostly to accommodate the unrangee' h'accordeon. Messervier loves to change keys. Some well known ones are:
Dedicato a' Jos (Viva la WestSide) Bm/D
Real Beatrice C/Am
Pointe a Pic C/Am
La Bistrange (Madamoiselle, Voulez vous danse'?) D/A mix
Berceuse pour Hannah D/Amix
Reel Eugene Bm/D
Galope de Jos Bouchard D/G
Hommage a' Edmund Pariseau D/A???
Valse d' Hiver the ever-popular Bm/F#m
Reel Joseph Bm/D
Reel de Montreal/Sherbrooke G/D
... and many more
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(Date Posted:08/07/2007 15:38:07)
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... the A part being in G major and the B part in E minor. ..
I'm just learning the Ookpik Waltz (Canadian too) in which the A part is in G and B part in Em. If you listen the sample from the TipsyHouse CD below note that the A part is 16 mesures long and repeated and the B part 8 measures long and repeated:
http://www.tipsyhouse.com/listen.html
Btw. In the last round of the Ookpik it's B part is not played but the B part of the latter tune, The Parting, is played instead, ie. The Parting starts with it's B part, or at least that is how I understood it.
EDIT: The Parting sounds very typical to Finnish trad waltzes.
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Lin Erica
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(Date Posted:09/07/2007 16:10:58)
Hi Risto
Someone gave me the dots for Ookpic Waltz at our last session, and I am just about to attempt to learn it, though I have only heard the tune played once at the session!! So your info that it changes key is very "timely" - thanks !!
Lin
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Theo Gibb
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(Date Posted:09/07/2007 16:32:03)
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I'm just learning the Ookpik Waltz (Canadian too) in which the A part is in G and B partin Em.
I know that tune as the Owl Waltz.
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(Date Posted:09/07/2007 21:06:36)
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I know that tune as the Owl Waltz.
The Ookpik Waltz has a few names, and quote: "It has been suggested that Ookpik is the Inuit (Eskimo) word for an Arctic owl"- The origin may not be Canadian as I said but somewhere from the North America, British Columbia?
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tony gibbons
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(Date Posted:09/07/2007 22:23:12)
Reply to : PaulyWorly
I was just trying to put some tunes together and it occurred to me that I know many tunes in a major key and many more in a minor key (let's not get too pedantic about minor vs modal etc !!), but I know very few where the tune changes from, let's say, the A part being in G major and the B part in E minor. Rochdale Coconut Dance was one that came to mind and Jolly Bird was another but there must be loads more. Can anyone share some of their favourites ?CheersPaulyWorly
The Irish jig 'Syriacus' has the 'A' music in D and the 'B' music in Bminor.
"The Butterfly" slip-jig, starts in Eminor and goes to G in the 'B' music.
"All Around the World for Sport" (jig) has the 'A' music in G and both the 'B' & 'C' musics in Eminor.
"Out on the Ocean" (jig) has 'A' in G and the start of the 'B' music in Eminor but goes back to 'G' for the last 4 bars.
I have a three-part version of "johnny Cope" with the 'A' music in Eminor, the 'B' music in 'G' and the 'C' music in Eminor again. A cracking tune drop me an email and I will give you the abc by return.
"Lord Randell's Bride" starts in G and goes to Eminor for the 'B' music.
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(Date Posted:10/07/2007 08:55:40)
Come on guys, admit it.
The reason we play diatonic melodeons is so we don't have to worry about those pesky sharps and flats.
*Sits back and awaits explosion, safe in the knowledge that he can cope with flute and saxophone.*
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(Date Posted:10/07/2007 16:44:17)
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Hi RistoSomeone gave me the dots for Ookpic Waltz at our last session, and I am just about to attempt to learn it, though I have only heard the tune played once at the session!! So your info that it changes key is very "timely" - thanks !!Lin
__. Although spelled different ways (often Utpic, or Utpick, or Ootpic but quite varible), it's a very popular waltz amoungst US contra and folk dance musicians. There are three books, called "The Waltz Books", volume I, II, and III, which are widely used -- Utpic was included in the first ca. 15 years ago and -- although it was already widely known -- this increased it's popularity. The writer of the Waltz Books also tried to trace it's author and history but was unable to do so. But everyone who has played it in the Eastern US for 25 years or so will tell you that they learned it from someone from the "Pacific Northwest" (Washington State or Oregon area) so it's a good bet that it's originally from there or nearby (either that part of the US, "British California", or Alaska).
__. "The Waltz Books" are very good - they're not at all restricted; the first had tunes like Utpic, Jay Ungar's "Ashokan Farewell", Patrick Fuldham-Shaw's "Margaret's Waltz", O'Carolan (Planxty Fanny Power, and Planxty Erwin), "Ashgrove", and Quebec tunes like Valse des Jouets and Valtz de les Jeunes Filles. So, there are great tunes from different sources. The two subsequent volumes carry on -- all very nice and useful tunes. And also a mixture between trad and recently composed tunes.
__. If you see the "Waltz Books" at stalls at festivals or tuition weekends, you might want to check them out.
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(Date Posted:10/07/2007 17:02:50)
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__. A little Google says:
"Despite the rumors of antiquity, the "Ookpik Waltz" was not dervived from a Native American source but is a composition of Mission, British Columbia, fiddler Frankie Rodgers, who has published it in a tunebook of his compositions. British Columbia fiddlers know the tunebook and the source well. It was also first recorded on his (c. 1960's) LP "Maple Sugar, Fiddle Favorites by Canada's Old Time Fiddle King Frankie Rodgers of the Rodgers Brothers Band" (Point P-250). Sheet music of "Ookpik Waltz" was published with a 1965 copyright to Rodgers. ffice ffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>"
__. So, there we have it. And this completes the spelling as "Ookpik" although I've never known it to be pronounced without the "t" at the end of the first syllable.
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Lin Erica
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(Date Posted:11/07/2007 16:52:19)
reply to Oonrahnjay
Thanks for the info I will look out for the Waltz Books.
I too already know Patrick Fuldham-Shaw's "Margaret's Waltz", and O'Carolan's Planxty Fanny Power and Planxty Erwin, so you see us great musicians stick together and learn quality tunes when we see them!! ha ha !! LOL
Lin
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(Date Posted:15/07/2007 15:46:23)
Try "Sweets of May" - that is G for the first part to Aminor in the second back to G for the third. It's a good tune anyway!
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Theo Gibb
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(Date Posted:15/07/2007 17:29:53)
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Try "Sweets of May" - that isG for the first part to Aminorin the secondback to G for the third. It's a good tune anyway!
Already suggested that in the second post in this thread!
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(Date Posted:15/07/2007 21:44:01)
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Already suggested that in the second post in this thread!
Theo - OK wrist slapped. That will teach me to read everything properly!
One suggestion if you want a cracking melodeon tune is "Les Marjolaines". Yous can get this from the tunes on Bernard Loffet's site www.diato.org. The first part is major and the second can't decide what it is as it alternates bars major to minor, like a sort of chorus. Give it a good belt when you come back to the A music.
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(Date Posted:15/07/2007 22:09:08)
Oh just remembered another one - Arthur Darley's "Swedish Jig". You can get it from The Session site (link below). This is not suitable for a diatonic as it switches D to D minor, but should be ok on a chromatic. I play it on English concertina, it's easier!!!
http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/417
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PaulyWorly
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(Date Posted:18/07/2007 09:30:01)
Thanks to everyone that has suggested some tunes in this thread - I'll look up some dots and ABCs for the tunes.
Cheers
PaulyWorly
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(Date Posted:18/07/2007 09:44:32)
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Thanks to everyone that has suggested some tunes in this thread - I'll look up some dots and ABCs for the tunes.CheersPaulyWorly
__. And don't forget what my friends in Montreal call "Reel de Sherbrooke" and the people in Sherbrooke call "Reel de Montreal" - super tune!
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(Date Posted:18/07/2007 10:46:22)
No one seems to have mentioned Walter Bulwer's bodily function tunes:
Walter Bulwer's Number 1 & Walter Bulwer's Number 2
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(Date Posted:26/07/2007 18:49:03)
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No one seems to have mentioned Walter Bulwer's bodily function tunes:Walter Bulwer's Number 1 & Walter Bulwer's Number 2
They don't go into a minor key do they ?.. They certainly don't the way I play them !
And by the way, which is which ? I think I've learned them back-to-front, as I think I always play no2 first to make it fit easier with The Quaker...
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(Date Posted:26/07/2007 19:35:43)
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They don't go into a minor key do they ?
All right I didn't read the question properly
And by the way, which is which ? I think I've learned them back-to-front, as I think I always play no2 first to make it fit easier with The Quaker...
I too play them as #2 followed by #1, but as I took over from someone else in the band I have had to change to play #2, A music in G and B music in D, then change to #1 with the A music in D and the B music in G. This appears to be different to every one else on the planet?
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(Date Posted:20/08/2007 19:36:00)
Yankee Doodle sounds nice with the A part in G Major and then into E Minor for the B part, Silurian Morris use it as a processional tune.
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(Date Posted:25/09/2007 03:49:38)
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Come on guys, admit it.The reason we play diatonic melodeons is so we don't have to worry about those pesky sharps and flats.*Sits back and awaits explosion, safe in the knowledge that he can cope with flute and saxophone.*
I've always been comforted by tunes that float into keys I can't play. "Ah, a tune I don't have to worry about learning!" Sometimes the pressure of the session, ya know ... it gets to you. The tunes. The tunes! The tunes
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(Date Posted:28/09/2007 16:20:06)
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One suggestion if you want a cracking melodeon tune is "Les Marjolaines". Yous can get this from the tunes on Bernard Loffet's sitewww.diato.org. The first part is major and the second can't decide what it is as it alternates bars major to minor,like a sort of chorus.Give it a good belt when you come back to the A music.
Hi polkapete,
Do you play Les Marjolaines accoding to the dots, so starting in the key of G or do you play it according to the tablature, thereby starting in D on a D/G melodeon?
The tablature on Bernard Loffet's site is written for a G/C melodeon, and, whilst I do not own such a beast - yet, I have learnt a number of tunes from his site using the tablature (mainly) to generate an authentic feel in the way the bellows move throughout the tune. Sometime you have to be a little creative with the left hand chord sequences though.
Claire
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