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(Date Posted:16/11/2006 13:50:33)
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Just recieved an e-mail update from Frans Van der Aa.Apparently, he is emigrating (and shifting his entire workshop, lock stock and barrel) to Bogot? Colombia, as of next month.More details should appear on his website fairly soon, I expect...Ed J
Yes, I first heard about this at his 25th Jubilee at Heeze in July and I found it a bit disconcerting. He makes truly wonderful boxes in my opinion, so it is a relief to gain the impression now that he has his move very well organised, and is thinking ahead about solutions to any possible problems or objections. You just get the feeling that it will all work out OK and he is certainly busy. He has been very good about keeping in touch with information, and I have already his new address etc though when last I looked there were no changes yet to his web-site.
Robin
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EeeJay
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(Date Posted:02/05/2007 13:42:57)
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Theo Gibb
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(Date Posted:02/05/2007 17:41:09)
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I just noticed one of Frans's old neighbours in Heeze selling one of his boxes on Ebay:-http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160110160401Looks a really nice piece of kit...
The seller describes it as "This Irish tuned musette" any idea what that might mean?
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EeeJay
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(Date Posted:03/05/2007 01:09:28)
Like most of Frans's boxes, this is a 3 voice - configured MMM, so I'm assuming it has no treble registers.
My reasons for guessing this - Frans's website lists an identical box for sale in C#/D/D# - could this be one and the same box... I assume the Ebay listing as a C#/D/G is correct?
I don't think it likely that anyone would order one of Frans's instruments with a teeth crunching musette... though stranger things have happened...!
I expect it is tuned to a smoother, tighter, assymetric musette - John Brosnan of County Kerry tunes boxes like this... I know someone with a 3 voice Paolo Soprani tuned by him and it sounds really clear and sweet, but still very powerful.
Ed J
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(Date Posted:04/05/2007 00:33:19)
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Like most of Frans's boxes, this is a 3 voice - configured MMM, so I'm assuming it has no treble registers.My reasons for guessing this -Frans's website lists an identical box for sale in C#/D/D#- could this be one and the same box... I assume the Ebay listing as a C#/D/G is correct?I don't think it likely that anyone would order one of Frans's instruments with a teeth crunching musette... though stranger things have happened...!I expect it is tuned to a smoother, tighter, assymetric musette - John Brosnan of County Kerry tunes boxes like this... I know someone with a 3 voice Paolo Soprani tuned by him and it sounds really clear and sweet, but still very powerful.Ed J
One would have assumed that the description of one of Frans' boxes on his own website would have been correct? But then, anyone who's had dealings with him leading up to or since his Transatlantic shift might know differently... Robin?
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Theo Gibb
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(Date Posted:04/05/2007 11:24:43)
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One would have assumed that the description of one of Frans' boxes on his own website would have been correct?
I was refering to a description on an ebay listing, not on Frans' own website.
I was puzzled by the combination of "Irish" and "musette" in the same phrase. I can't recall hearing musette used to describe the sound of boxes used for Irish music. Scottish musette, French Musett yes, but not Irish musette.
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Old Leaky
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(Date Posted:05/05/2007 01:52:53)
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I was refering to a description on an ebay listing, not on Frans' own website.I was puzzled by the combination of "Irish" and "musette" in the same phrase. I can't recall hearing musette used to describe the sound of boxes used for Irish music. Scottish musette, French Musett yes, but not Irish musette.
My comment has been misinterpreted since it was aimed at EeeJay, not you Theo, and was in response to the suggestion that they are one and the same box. Judging by the pics, I think that is so. It's feasible that Frans would have left this "in stock" box with "a neighour" in Heeze to sell on eBay rather than trail it in a container half way around the world. So, if that is the case, Frans' own description is likely to be correct i.e. it is C#/D/D#, and not C#/D/G as the eBay "owner" suggests.
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EeeJay
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(Date Posted:05/05/2007 03:16:00)
Well whatever box it is, it's been relisted - still as a C#/D/G... so I'm assuming that's correct? Aarrgh! Confused!!
Re-reading the ad though, I doubt the seller means anything more by the term "Irish tuned musette" to distinguish seperately that it is in at least part, semitone (so-called "Irish") tuned, and just to quantify that it has three medium reeds, and no low octave - low octave being generally more common on high end 3 voice instruments.
Frans is generally still good on keeping in touch with customers, and things are progressing with the new workshop, which should be up and running by now. Main problem has been the different voltages and power supply for the machinery...
Ed J
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(Date Posted:05/05/2007 08:51:36)
Reply to : Old Leaky
It's feasible that Frans would have left this "in stock" box with "a neighour" in Heeze to sell on eBay rather than trail it in a container half way around the world. So, if that is the case, Frans' own description is likely to be correct i.e. it i
I feel sure that is indeed the case.
Robin
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Old Leaky
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(Date Posted:05/05/2007 20:59:50)
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... I doubt the seller means anything more by the term "Irish tuned musette" ...
Looking again at Frans' website, I believe it is still the same box. The debate about the tuning* of the 3 rows, C#/D/D# or C#/D/G, might continue although I still tend towards the former as per Frans' "In Stock" item albeit from "1991" but that itself may be a typo, as I have long suspected - why would he have one of his desirable boxes sitting on a shelf that long? I think I can finally clear up the "Irish musette" issue: the "Irish" description only refers to the box being one of Frans'"Compact Irish" range i.e. its physical styling and features, but the reeds are set up as musette in this case. Read it as "Irish (model), tuned musette". This is clearly what Frans shows as his (sole) "In Stock" item on his website. It further suggests that Frans has either sold this box to his neighbour who is now reselling via eBay, or the neighbour is doing it on behalf of Frans, in which case he may not even be a box player hence his confusing description. * I might email the seller and/or Frans to clear this up...
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(Date Posted:05/05/2007 22:51:17)
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Reply to : EeeJay... I doubt the seller means anything more by the term "Irish tuned musette" ...Looking again at Frans' website, I believe it is still the same box. The debate about the tuning* of the 3 rows, C#/D/D# or C#/D/G, might continue although I still tend towards the former as per Frans' "In Stock" item albeit from "1991" but that itself may be a typo, as I have long suspected - whywould he have one of his desirable boxes sitting on a shelf that long? I think I can finally clear up the "Irish musette" issue:the "Irish" description only refers to the box being one of Frans'"Compact Irish" range i.e. its physical styling and features, but the reeds are set up as mu
Blimey, it's easy to see how conspiracy theories start.
I noted on Frans' website that the one he has in stock was made in 1991 and the ebay one was made in 1997. So?? - are they one and the same after all.
A click on "Ask seller a question" should sort it out.
Roy.
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(Date Posted:06/05/2007 01:48:14)
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Blimey, it's easy to see how conspiracy theories start.
I noted on Frans' website that the one he has in stock was made in 1991 and the ebay one was made in 1997. So?? - are they one and the same after all.
A click on "Ask seller a question" should sort it out.
Er, I aready did, and the reply just in: "The tuning is indeed C#/D/G and the box is from 1997. It is my box who is mentioned being in stock on the website of Frans (with the two above wrong details)."
Odd that Frans hadn't corrected his website - maybe he was busy with his "flitting"? But at least my suspicions were (almost all) confirmed!
Talking about conspiracy theories: it's even more odd that on clicking on the seller's ID "stereoton" his eBay profile says: "This seller currently has no items for sale"!!!
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(Date Posted:06/05/2007 14:16:51)
Glad that's cleared that up!
I'm sure if Frans had it listed correctly, it would have long gone by now.
Oh well, good luck to anybody bidding - it should be a fantastic instrument!
Ed J
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(Date Posted:06/05/2007 14:30:25)
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Talking about conspiracy theories: it's even more odd that on clicking on the seller's ID "stereoton" his eBay profile says: "This seller currently has no items for sale"!!!
Funny that! Even funnier, click on "Items for sale" and up comes the box.
It does look a cracker though, but I failed to win the lottery again this weekend. So no Van der Aa and no Aston Martin.
Roy.
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