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Txbear
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(Date Posted:20/08/2007 00:28:16)
Should be the same. The individual rows on a three row G/C/F are the same as on a G/C and a C/F. Same with an F/Bb/Eb etc (I have a F/Bb box and a friend with a Bb/Eb box, our Bb rows are identical) There may be some small differences in layout between Italian and German boxes. Added accidentals at the ends, different bass arrangements, and different dry/swing/musette tunings of course.
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NorthernMelodeon
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(Date Posted:20/08/2007 03:20:46)
Reply to : Ronden
Hello, if a person were to purchase a ADG accordion would the configurations be the same as playing a two row AD and a DG accordion so that a person can learn if he or she prefers a two row AD or DG .
Hi Ronald,
To get into the nitty-gritty, you need to hear from someone who actually plays three-row boxes, so here goes:
The layout is much the same with a couple of possible changes, little things that could make a big difference, depending on your style of playing.
If you are looking at it as two two-row boxes, on a Hohner style keyboard (11-10-11 buttons) the "inside two row" (the DG in the case of an ADG) will be missing some of the lower notes compared to standard two-row boxes.
Also, note that while the "inside two row" (DG) will have it's IV chord (Cmaj) in the bass/chords on the left hand available as press _and_ draw, the "outer two row" (AD) will have the IV chord (Gmaj) available on the press only, not on the draw.
If this bass/chord issue is important to you, then you will likely begin to play across all three rows. Let's say that you're playing a tune in Bminor with the A row as the home row. If you were playing this in two-row style (ala Breton tablatures), you'd find some G major chords where the notes are played on the draw. So on a three-row box you will actually reach up to the G row and hit those notes on the press, while playing the Gmaj chord/bass on the press. It sounds difficult but it will become a matter of course with time. The difficulty comes when you learn a tune like that and then want to play it on a two row box, or raised up a fourth (on the inside two rows)!
Does that make sense? Make sure to ask more questions about three row playing -- and check out some of the button layout pages online.
-Andy
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Ronden
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(Date Posted:20/08/2007 14:39:56)
Thanks for the information
So, with the three row aside for the moment is it safe to imply that since A/D D/G and G/C accordions are tuned in fifths between rows that the repertoire ei.. D/G Morris box can be played without problems on a G/C two row and vice versa. Albeit in different keys. And, if so, why the different key combinations?
Ronald
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NorthernMelodeon
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(Date Posted:20/08/2007 18:08:50)
Reply to : Ronden
D/G Morris box can be played without problems on a G/C two row and vice versa. Albeit in different keys. And, if so, why the different key combinations?
Hi Ronald,
Yes, it can. In different keys of course. Why the different keys? Because of wanting to play with different instruments, and also in order to match singing voice ranges. (I'm not sure that I understood your question). There is also a different sound to the different box ranges, much as a viola sounds different from a violin or a cello. Play a tune on a GC box and then on a DG and you'll get an idea of this.
A side note that is perhaps relevant: there are different two layouts -- some have a lower or higher range, and the lower layouts can vary somewhat. There is also a way of reversing some reeds on the inside row. So not all two rows are created equally!
-Andy
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Txbear
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(Date Posted:21/08/2007 17:18:50)
There is also a different sound to the different box ranges, much as a viola sounds different from a violin or a cello. Play a tune on a GC box and then on a DG and you'll get an idea of this.
For example, the F row on my F/Bb box is an octave lower than the F row on the standard C/F box.
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georgegarside
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(Date Posted:26/08/2007 20:44:47)
Reply to : NorthernMelodeon
Hi Ronald,Yes, it can. In different keys of course. Why the different keys? Because of wanting to play with different instruments, and also in order to match singing voice ranges. (I'm not sure that I understood your question).
???BCC# then ou can lay in all keys with just one box!
george
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NorthernMelodeon
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(Date Posted:27/08/2007 03:16:56)
Reply to : georgegarside
???BCC# then ou can lay in all keys with just one box!george
Hi George,
If that was my goal, I think that I'd go for a chromatic b-griff or c-griff box, then at least one fingering pattern would apply to all keys. Seriously, I can understand why BCC# would appeal to some people but I am not one of them! I'd rather have several boxes with different sounds!
-Andy
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georgegarside
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(Date Posted:27/08/2007 11:49:51)
Reply to : NorthernMelodeon
Hi George,If that was my goal, I think that I'd go for a chromatic b-griff or c-griff box, then at least one fingering pattern would apply to all keys. Seriously, I can understand why BCC# would appeal to some people but I am not one of them! I'd rather have several boxes with different sounds!-Andy
Hi Andy
the one fingering pattern only applies to 5 row continentals which by definition are on the heavy side. 4 row commonly used by French needs basically 3 'patterns' as does the 3 row continental. The British Chromatic (BCC#) needs 4 (or 5 if you include playing in BC or C# on the row. couplers or stops will provide a range of different sounds
george
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NorthernMelodeon
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(Date Posted:27/08/2007 14:09:00)
Reply to : georgegarside
4 row commonly used by French needs basically 3 'patterns' as does the 3 row continental. The British Chromatic (BCC#) needs 4 (or 5 if you include playing in BC or C# on the row. couplers or stops will provide a range of different soundsgeorge
Sorry not interested.
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sCANdAnaDIAN
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(Date Posted:28/08/2007 04:42:30)
George,if you're trying to unload any unwanted Shand Morino's I might be interested(well not at this time but sometime down the road).
But I have to say that I'm pretty happy with my Hohner ADG.I can play many Scottish tunes with the fiddle phrasings,a number of the french musette pieces from the Beuscher music books are possible(not often easy though)and it's light enough to play on the row for jigs.
I'd like to make a few modifications though.I'd stop the thirds on the A chord draw and F# chord push so they could work as minors and tune a few accidentals onto top end duplicate notes. In particular I'd flatten the highest b draw on the A row and and the highest e draw on the D row.
Chris
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