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mike delta
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(Date Posted:05/09/2007 23:52:19)
Hi Guys,
I wonder if you could help me out as your expertise would be greatly appreciated on the following:
I have been given a choice by a Melodeon maker as to what button layout I prefer on a new D/G box (21 button).
I'm relatively new at this so I need all the help I can get please.
First, the music I play does not require any notes above high 'd' so if I dispense with the high squeeky notes on both the D & G rows, what would be a useful addition to the low notes.
Second, is there any advantage in having the main key note on each row moving up a position from the third button to the fourth.
Many thanks,
Mike.
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Jo Ellis Boyfriend
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(Date Posted:06/09/2007 19:48:38)
Reply to : mike delta
Hi Guys,I wonder if you could help me out as your expertise would be greatly appreciated on the following:I have been given a choice by a Melodeon maker as to what button layout I prefer on a new D/G box (21 button).I'm relatively new at this so I need all the help I can get please.First, the music I play does not require any notes above high 'd' so if I dispense with the high squeeky notes on both the D & G rows, what would be a useful addition to the low notes.Second, is there any advantage in having the main key note on each row moving up a position from the third button to the fourth.Many thanks,Mike.
I would say yes. My 2 row D/G has low notes and acidentals, even though it's only a 21 key. It gives the equivalent of a 19 key with low notes, then then standard D/G accidentals at the top. I like it this way as with the accidentals you can play in C, A, and E major.
I'll upload a button layout tomorrow (saturday) if I get time.
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mike delta
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Registered:13/10/2006
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(Date Posted:06/09/2007 23:43:56)
Hi Jo Ellis...
You wrote: "I'll upload a button layout tomorrow (saturday) if I get time"
That would be useful. Thanks.
Regards,
Mike.
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Theo Gibb
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(Date Posted:07/09/2007 00:55:10)
Mike,
You may not be aware but there is a whole range of button layout diagrams on this site. Just go to www.melodeon.net and follow the link to melodeon info.
Theo
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georgegarside
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(Date Posted:07/09/2007 10:11:23)
Reply to : Jo Ellis Boyfriend
Reply to : mike deltaHi Guys,I wonder if you could help me out as your expertise would be greatly appreciated on the following:I have been given a choice by a Melodeon maker as to what button layout I prefer on a new D/G box (21 button).I'm relatively new at this so I need all the help I can get please.First, the music I play does not require any notes above high 'd' so if I dispense with the high squeeky notes on both the D & G rows, what would be a useful addition to the low notes.Second, is there any advantage in having the main key note on each row moving up a position from the third button to the fourth.Many thanks,Mike.I would say yes. My 2 row D/G has low notes and acidentals, even though it's only a 21 key. It gives the equivalent of a 19 key with low notes
I also like this layoout but mainly because of the low notes whilst retaining the accidentals
george
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Steve_freereeder
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(Date Posted:08/09/2007 10:04:47)
Reply to : mike delta
... .Second, is there any advantage in having the main key note on each row moving up a position from the third button to the fourth?
Yes, a 'fourth button start' is quite a common variation on the standard two-row melodeon layout. Saltarelles often have this. The only disadvantage is that when you DO need the accidentals, it can be a rather uncomfortable stretch if you have a short index finger. However, most people seem to get used to it.
I have a Mory which has been customised to a 4th button start and, because the accidentals are shifted to the half-row, there are three extra buttons on the D and G row which gives me a whole extra, lower octave in G. Nice!
Also, as Theo has pointed out, there is a very comprehensive set of keyboard layouts available on the Melodeon Info section of the main site. Very interesting and worthwhile to peruse.
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Jo Ellis Boyfriend
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(Date Posted:08/09/2007 11:37:04)
Reply to : mike delta
Hi Jo Ellis...You wrote: "I'll upload a button layout tomorrow (saturday) if I get time"That would be useful. Thanks.Regards,Mike.
Right... It's now sunday (never mind) here goes...
I have the lower octave F natural on the pull instead of the more normal D (button 2). This gives me a whole octave of F major which is a key I used to play in ona D/G box quite a lot, but now don't really! It also gives the lower F natural when playing in C, which I sometimes need. Hope this helps
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georgegarside
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(Date Posted:08/09/2007 18:17:41)
Reply to : Steve_freereeder
Yes, a 'fourth button start' is quite a common variation on the standard two-row melodeon layout. Saltarelles often have this. The only disadvantage is that when you DO need the accidentals, it can be a rather uncomfortable stretch if you have a short index finger. However, most people seem to get used to it.I have a Mory which has been customised to a 4th button start and, because the accidentals are shifted to the half-row, there are three extra buttons on the D and G row which gives me a whole extra, lower octave in G. Nice!Also, as Theo has pointed out, there is a very comprehensive set of keyboard la
I aalways use thumb on 1st button accidentals irrespective of 3rd or 4th button do. I find this very easy but it probably only works when using 2 straps which I always do.
george
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Veloce
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(Date Posted:08/09/2007 18:33:49)
Reply to : georgegarside
I aalways use thumb on 1st button accidentals irrespective of 3rd or 4th button do. I find this very easy but it probably only works when using 2 straps which I always do.
I started doing this too, based on your recommendation some time ago. I want both low notes and accidentals on my next melodeon and arthritis makes stretching for the 1st button accidentals with my forefinger difficult even with 3rd button do. Once I started using my thumb this way I found I was using it at other times too, particularly when playing octaves.
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Txbear
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(Date Posted:08/09/2007 20:39:55)
Great point about using the thumb. Piano accordionists use their thumb, why shouldn't button box players? Certainly because the thumb strap, it isn't available when you use one. That's one nice plus for my Paolo Soprani... a very nice groove on the edge of the keyboard and no thumb strap... that leaves my thumb free to reach for low notes etc. I have heard more than one player say they have "never" used their thumb strap, in fact they cut it off!
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