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pushpullefty
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(Date Posted:01/10/2007 11:44:12)
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Pushpullefty, and friends, please tell us more about these techniques:". . . there was a kind of gracenote cum pushpull triplet I had worked out that had a good feel. Simon was an expert on cross row triplets. . ."
Hi Mathew B.
What I am refering to here was the process that two young guys learning Irish tunes by ear on DG boxes were going through to get on top of ornamentation for ITM. We were in Melbourne Australia, and didn't know anybody who could teach us. This was almost 30years ago, we had a 'folk' music explosion back then and a lot of Aussie 'Bush' music was very celtic based. But traditions of instrument playing were pretty rough. We tried to refer directly to Irish music, teaching each other what the other had discovered.
Rolls were a bit cumbersome on the DG. Different to the cross row way they're played on a C#D or BC. The main thing is to ensure that they fit with the phrasing and rhythm of the tune. But triplets, another common element of ITM were well catered for, because of diverse cross row options that are available.
I hope that explains things a bit.
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Matthew B
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(Date Posted:02/10/2007 17:33:23)
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Hi Mathew B.What I am refering to here was the process that two young guys learning Irish tunes by ear on DG boxes were going through to get on top of ornamentation
Thanks for the clarification. So did you do work out anything other than the technique described here: http://tinyurl.com/2w93h2? And are there any other tips you'd care to share? Getting that kind of ornamentation out of a D/G is possible, apparently, but I certainly can't do it yet!
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(Date Posted:02/10/2007 19:01:39)
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And are there any other tips you'd care to share? Getting that kind of ornamentation out of a D/G is possible, apparently, but I certainly can't do it yet!
Not wishing to pre-empt Geoff, but did you see this thread about rolls on D/G?
Steve
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pushpullefty
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(Date Posted:04/10/2007 17:03:12)
Hi there Mathew B. Sorry about the delay in my reply. I was out of town for a few days.
You know, there are probably many better ways to learn about Irish DG box playing from me, I'm pretty low down on the pecking order, but for what it's worth I'll give a few pointers.
Firstly. Get out to the session. Immerse yourself in the music. Listen to the music, not just the notes. Hear the way it sings, it's a language. Listen to the phrasing. Play as much as you can. You will pick up more stuff than you can imagine this way. Feel it out. Music is intuitive, and involves a degree of letting go before you can really be in control if you know what I mean. Don't get drunk, but sometimes a couple of beers does loosen you up. You can't tell me this is an impediment to learning.
Try to tame a fiddle player. They're a curious breed, but there is much to be learned from them. Listen to their ornamentation. Can you immitate some of those double stops on a DG? I know you can. First though, find out what a double stop is!
Try doing simpler things like grace notes. Experiment to see where they fit. Pick up a tin whistle tutor book and familiarize yourself with the ornaments. They are used in the same way. My brother plays Irish flute. I annoyed the heck out of him asking questions. Find some one to annoy.
Listen to many records. Especially Push pull players. Jackie Daley and Sharon Shannon are good. Hear the ornamentation, like the dotted triplets these guys use, these are played with either two or three fingers running over the one button in a single bellows movement. da da da like a machine gun.
Make up a couple of charts one showing all the push notes, the other all the pull notes. Both rows. Work out the triplets that you can practicaly do on one bellows movement. Crossing rows too. Link notes together with a pencil. Work out the double stop possibilities too. The DG has alternative fingerings that you can workout. Like you can play in G on the D row.This will affect the phrasing and feel of the tune.
Remember that if you change bellows direction in an ornament like a triplet or a roll, the rhythmic effect could be enough to upset the rest of the tune. The great thing about push pull Box is the rocking rhythm you can achieve. Try to use the inbuilt dynamics of the Box to tne advantage of the music.
Get the basics of your playing firmly established before worrying too much about ornamentation.
And watch any good Box player like a hawk. Ask them as many questions as you can.
Good Luck
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(Date Posted:08/10/2007 01:02:00)
Great advice. All of this applies to many different styles, not just Irish. I know it applies very well to Cajun music on a one row. The rythmn of the bellows changes is soooo important. Two fingers on one key for quick triplets, etc is another great tip.... Listen, listen, listen, to as much live and recorded music as possible. Get it into your bones. There is no substitute for live performance though, especially if you have the chance to play along and work out things for yourself, but of course you can play along with a recording without people yelling at you to stop.
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