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(Date Posted:16/09/2006 01:06:47)
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What is the difference between a concertina and a melodeon eg technically and sound wise? thanks Zoe
substantially different - but only just! both part of 'free reed' family and as such are bellows driven. Concertinas come in 3 sorts, anglo, englich and duet. English & duet have only one note per button and are fully chromatic with equivelent of black and white notes on piano.
Anglo is more akin to melodeon in that it has 2 notes per button. In some ways an anglo is like a melodeon keyboard cut in half with the lower (musically speaking) end coming up the left side and the higher end going down the right side. most anglos tuned GC but anything possible like DG or Eflat Bflat or whatever. anglo's with 3 rows are eg GC plus row of accidentals, layout of which varies with maker.With skill the instrument can be fully chromatic using the accidentals. I often wonder why nobody has made a bcc# anglo?
Anybody able to play melodeon should be able to adapt reasonably ealily to anglo concertina and vice versa. English and duet although looking very similar to anglo are completely different to play.
My personal view is that there is much in common between all the free reed instruments i.e concertinas, melodeons, button accordions and piano accordions and that as collectively we form a musical minority we should all stick together. Anybody fancy joining me in forming a 'generic' squeeze box club in Anglesey or perhaps Bangor in North Wales as I will be moving there shortly.
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(Date Posted:16/09/2006 01:11:06)
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What is the difference between a concertina and a melodeon eg technically and sound wise? thanks Zoe
forgot to mention - concertinas have only one voice ie 1 reed playing per 'note' whereas melodeons have 2 or 3 reeds(voices0 playijng at once exept castagnari lilly and similar small boxes which are single voice & therefore give a concertina like sound.
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(Date Posted:16/09/2006 01:29:49)
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Reply to : u751904What is the difference between a concertina and a melodeon eg technically and sound wise? thanks Zoeforgot to mention - concertinas have only one voice ie 1 reed playing per 'note' whereas melodeons have 2 or 3 reeds(voices0 playijng at once exept castagnari lilly and similar small boxes which are single voice & therefore give a concertina like sound.george
Just to add to George's replies....
'Proper' concertinas - the older ones - have reeds made to a different specification and dimensions than melodeon reeds. The concertina reed tongues (steel or brass) are set in a brass mount which is then slotted into a dovetailed housing on the reed pan (a flat sounding board on which the reeds are mounted). The reeds are also arranged radially on the reed pan. These features give the concertina its unique sound.
Most modern concertinas have melodeon/accordion reeds on an aluminium reed plate which is waxed or screwed into place on the reed pan. As a result, they don't quite have that authentic concertina sound, not even the very best ones.
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(Date Posted:16/09/2006 03:33:58)
Whats the difference between a concertina and a melodeon.....
.......simple....
.....a melodeon burns longer !!!
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(Date Posted:16/09/2006 06:54:35)
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What is the difference between a concertina and a melodeon eg technically and sound wise? thanks Zoe
All these experts failed to ask THE QUESTION.
Why, he asks twirling his mustachios, is a beautiful young lady like you Zoe, asking this question at nine p.m. on a Saturday night, when you should be out clubbing?
Divorce, is the obvious answer and I am qualified to perform this option cheaply he said, laughing evilly.
Squeak.
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(Date Posted:16/09/2006 09:59:49)
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Whats the difference between a concertina and a melodeon............simple.........a melodeon burns longer !!!
So that's why you get (what looks like) a 120-bass piano accordion when you reach the gates of hell? (Gary Larson) 
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(Date Posted:16/09/2006 12:37:14)
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. The concertina reed tongues (steel or brass) are set in a brass mount which is then slotted into a dovetailed housing on the reed pan (a flat sounding board on which the reeds are mounted). The reeds a
Indeed. the reason for the mounting of the reeds in idividual 'compartments' on the hexagonal (or whatever) reed pan is that the concertina was designed by the physicist Wheetstone with the idea of getting the maximum sound out of the smallest instrument - each reed is matched to its compartment or chamber so as to enhance the resonation & give maximum volume and 'carrying power'. As Steve has rightly pointed out many of the modern instruments that look like concertinas don't have this power as they are not true to the original design criteria. I once had a Jeffries tha could be heard about half a mile away on a windless day and that without the need to squeeze hard.
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(Date Posted:16/09/2006 14:20:06)
It doesn't quite match a concertina but the four stop, one row can make a similar sound using just one M reed, preferably the 'on pitch' one. Other interesting sounds are also available using either single or a combination of reeds. Two snags but slight alterations to the lowest two buttons will cure the first. With those you can have a G box that will play most of the Morris repertoire. The other? They can be a bit air hungry.
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(Date Posted:16/09/2006 15:02:54)
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All these experts failed to askTHE QUESTION.Why, he asks twirling his mustachios, is a beautiful young lady like you Zoe, asking this question at nine p.m. on a Saturday night, when you should be out clubbing?Divorce, is the obvious answer and I am qualified to perform this option cheaply he said, laughing evilly.Squeak.
Its called living with a musician whos out gigging and a 11 month old baby who needs a baby sitter!!!! 
My quest is to counter the endless years of thumping bass, 12 bar blues, and eccentric house guests with my own sort of music. I know harmonica, and bagpipes would annoy so I thought melodeon would be the perfect answer. Only joking... Zoe
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So whats a bandoleon (think I have spelt that wrong) : a type of concertina, I am assuming that after some years of playing you can hear the difference. eg a concertina playing in c as opposed to a melodeon playing in c?
I guess the study and useage of these instruments is a book in itself.
so far I can distinuguish the difference in pitch (useful I guess!) and what sort of tuning it has wet / dry etc but if I were to hear a recording as I did the other day I couldn't tell if it were a piano accordion or a melodeon. I tihnk I can work out a concertina simply as the sound is more thin - or at least the one I heard sounded thinner.
I bought that cd which has recently come out called rouges callery 43 pirate ballards / sea songs and chanteys. I am not sure what to think of it. Some I like some don't like. Has an impressive list of musicians. I guess that is the problem with these sampler cds is that they are a mixed bag. The lyrics are cetainly fun in places and a good exercise in anglo saxon as you can imagine.
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(Date Posted:16/09/2006 15:29:38)
Zoe,
Another recoding worth looking for is "Planet Squeezebox" Its has a huge variety of freereed music from all over the place.
There is a wealth of information on the web, most of it easily found with Google. Another good starting place is Jeroen Nijhof's accordionlinks.com There is not much that is not linked from Jeroen's pages, if you find anything let him know!
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(Date Posted:16/09/2006 19:16:58)
Left out out of the types of concertina would also be Hayden, Chemnitzer and of course in Portugal the 3 row Hohner Corona is called a "concertina"
As to the difference between a melodeon on a concertina
first define melodeon.. as the Brits do.. anything with diatonic set up 1 row 2 row etc
Ireland and Canada .. the one row
and there will be thise who will contest this and add to the merriment
but for the sake of the discussion let's call it the 21 button 2 row. 8 bass. such as a G/C
And for the concertina let's call it a 30 button C/G ( not g/c)
First and most obvious 3 rows on the concertina
and nio bass buttons as on the melodeon
Accidentals ( sharps and flats in cluding the necessary c# for playing in D) on the outer row
Size .. duh
The way it is held
The way it is played
on the concertina as you are not usually playing and acompanying bass line but using the left for melody and chords
I am not a concertina player.. I can not give you any furhter info on playing technique. but having dabbled in it coming form Melodeon all I can say is
after playing diatonic accordions and then playing concertina .. the concertina is wimpy.. to hold, to play and to listen to it
However I do enjoy the playing of some (very few) concertina players
I have owned 2 Jeffries anglos ( both 38 button) and a raised ebony ended Wheatstone English.. a word on the English concertina.. what a moronic invention to hold and play.. designed by someone who obviously did not play, simply silly... but with the wrist straps and neck strap I suppose suitable for the "classic" style.. I think the English system is logical and lends itself toward an empirical approach to music..
A word on the modern accordion reeded concertinas.. I have played a few.. one maker is in my opinion a fraud.. just poorly designed and made and spends a great deal of time hawking them... cartoons of concertinas... name withheld.. weird hardware.. straps on upside down workmanship akin to quantity before quality... waaaaay overpriced...handeles in the wroong place..etc etc
I have played the very fine Ceili model by the Button Box.. the Morse made units... good design materials and workmanship... fast light and loud.. and in my opinion ( for my ear) a better sound than my Jeffries.
oh the shame of it... dissing the venerable Jeffries.. Well it's in the reeds.. I prefer the sound and feel ( resistance) on the accordion reeds... I like the way the speak and the way they modulate..
For $1700 US you can get a very decent box.... still a bit wimpy as it is a concertina.. but were I to buy a new one this would be it... I would like to try the NORMAN as the accordion reeds are fixed in the traditional way ie not waxed.... another decent accordion reeded unit would be the Concertina Connection via Harry Geuns...
In favor of the concertina is the portability and key choices with 30 button ( assuming C/G not g/c)
I prefer the G/D and low octave C/G concertinas
in favor of the Melodeons would be the bass and the power
And the biggie....... for equivalent quality melodeons are less money than concertinas....
All the above are my opinions
Never say Never
YMMV
Oh there are some melodeon players that are wimpy and I cannot listen to them.. reminds me of (some) concertina sounds... why bother ? yes I understand you are famous...yes I understand you studied with XXX... still wimpy...get some balls
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(Date Posted:16/09/2006 19:51:03)
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a word on the English concertina.. what a moronic invention to hold and play.. designed by someone who obviously did not play, simply silly... but with the wrist straps and neck strap I suppose suitable for the "classic" style.
As you said at the end of your post YMMV but I think your view is a little overstated. I happily play English with no wrist/neck strap and can play in many styles and all the keys.
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(Date Posted:16/09/2006 20:29:19)
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a word on the English concertina.. what a moronic invention to hold and play.. designed by someone who obviously did not play, simply silly.
Jeff you've obviously never had the pleasure of playing next to Alistair Anderson in a dance band. Exactly the opposite of wimpy.
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(Date Posted:17/09/2006 11:55:45)
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So whats a bandoleon (think I have spelt that wrong) : a type of concertina, I am assuming that after some years of playing you can hear the difference. eg a concertina playing in c as opposed to a melodeon playing in c?I guess the study and useage of these instruments is a book in itself.so far I can distinuguish the difference in pitch (useful I guess!) and what sort of tuning it has wet / dry etc but if I were to hear a recording as I did the other day I couldn't tell if it were a piano accordion or a melodeon. I tihnk I can work out a concertina simply as the sound is more thin - or at least the one I heard sounded thinner.I bought that cd which has recently come out called rouges callery 43 pirate ballards / sea songs and chanteys. I am not sure what to think of it. Some I like so
There are quite a few hybird boxes about.
Colin Dipper has made some 'Franglos' that are shaped like a concertina but work like a two row melodeon. In Italy you can find a concertina shaped organetto (one and a half row box) and I belive a Bandonika (sp?) is a bandoneon shaped melodeon.
The Chemnitzer and Bandonion (or Bandoneon) are, like the Anglo concertina, both descended from the original German Concertina and have at their core two diatonic rows tuned a 4th apart. Over the years various buttons were added to give them chromasticity and, I think it's, one version of the Bandonion family that plays the same note in both directions. I haven't got a clue how to identify whether a certain big square concertina with loads of buttons is a Chemnitzer or Bandonion. Generally both types have more than one reed per note.
In this country, where there are usually only single reed concertinas you can tell the difference between the insturments and I find listening to the accompaniament carefully can be a better clue to the differences.
For what it's worth my definition is that an accordion has individual buttons that produce a chord, concertinas only produce chords by pressing the buttons for the indivial componant notes of the chord. Unfortunately, this definition means that a free bass piano accordion is actually a concertina
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(Date Posted:17/09/2006 12:29:11)
Zoe said:
if I were to hear a recording as I did the other day I couldn't tell if it were a piano accordion or a melodeon. I tihnk I can work out a concertina simply as the sound is more thin - or at least the one I heard sounded thinner.
I can always tell a concertina because for some reason - however well played - the sound makes my ears ring horribly, it can be quite painful, similar to the sensation you get when you've been subject to really loud music in a closed space, and then go outside. I have no idea why this is and assume it is something to do with my hearing rather than the instrument itself, unless the sound is at a different frequency or something?.
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(Date Posted:17/09/2006 12:48:53)
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I can always tell a concertina because for some reason - however well played - the sound makes my ears ring horribly, it can be quite painful, similar to the sensation you get when you've been subject to really loud music in a closed space, and then go outside. I have no idea why this is and assume it is something to do with my hearing rather than the instrument itself, unless the sound is at a different frequency or something?.
concertina players sometimes look (from a distance) as if they are playing with themselves under the table!
george
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(Date Posted:17/09/2006 13:58:00)
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I can always tell a concertina because for some reason - however well played - the sound makes my ears ring horribly, it can be quite painful, similar to the sensation you get when you've been subject to really loud music in a closed space, and then go outside. I have no idea why this is and assume it is something to do with my hearing rather than the instrument itself, unless the sound is at a different frequency or something?.
My wife plays an Edgley C/G concertina with accordion reeds (they're cheaper than concertina reeds) and I play a Lilly Castagnari Melodeon. If I play without the basses, I can't hear a difference between the instruments.
We played Vandals of Hammerwich together in this way, and my parents' dog started howling. As he's a Chihuahua, this was pretty funny. The only time we'd witnessed the howling before was during the theme tune to Eastenders, which we don't watch. Somethign to do with harmonics which the human ear doens't usually detect.
Concertinas are more complicated to build than Melodeons, because the buttons, levers, springs, reeds etc. have to be packed in tight to fit, so a good one will cost 2-3 times a melodeon of similar quality. The Edgley isn't as good quality as the Castagnari, as evidenced in leakier bellows and other small problems, which makes it a little harder to play, but cost more.
Beth's on the waiting list for a Dipper concertina, but there's a waiting list measured in years rather than months. If I had to replace my Lilly, it would take at most a few weeks to get exactly the same model, or I could get a Hohner Pokerwork within a week.
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Ah At least some of us are now awake
As always it is not fashionable to have an opinion , no matter how informed.
I do not single out "English" concertinas as being wimpy... throw in the lot... except for perhaps Frnaglos.. and yes those are cool
I have owned 2 LillYs ( as well as 5 other Castagnaris.. nice furniture) and no.. they dont sound like concertinas.. even if the concertinas are accordion reeded.. there is the matter of air volume. I don;t play Lillys or Tommys as 4 of my fingers cover 5 buttons.. and the Tommy runs out of air.. which no other accordeon I have ever owned does...even Hohners.
I believe I said I enjoy listeneing to some concertina players.. Alsitair is one of them.. I have owned his recordings ( vinyl) for years..
If Paul Groff lived near me ( I sold my first Jeffries to him) I would likely be taking concertina lessons from him,( if and only if I didn't have a C#/D melodeon)
Different strokes for different folks
The world would be a sad and boring place without (some) concertinas.. and (some) players.
So the topic being concertina vs melodeon... for many reasons I would go with the melodeon... in my case I prefer 1 rows and 3 rows..or a half step box
Universality with the 3 row
versatility with the half step boxes and
nothing like a 1 row 4 stopper 4 reed buzz to get you going, the father/mother of all accordions
But if I were to buy a concertina I would get a Morse/Ceili in a lower key.. perhaps G/D and hope to be 1/10th the player of Jody Kruskal (sp)
My "view overstated" ! ? not IMNSHO
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(Date Posted:18/09/2006 05:10:46)
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nothing like a 1 row 4 stopper 4 reed buzz to get you going, the father/mother of all accordions
Forget it Jeff, they're too wimpy for me now! (Yes, even the Cajun ones with Binci a mano reeds.) What you need to try is a right-good single-row accordion, like my Baldoni, Bartoli 6-voice, it'll fire you up like a jolt of a few thousand volts  and really get you going!!!!! 
I'm having to get my Cajun melodeon retuned, so it's got a good bit of tremolo, to try to compete!
I have owned 2 LillYs ( as well as 5 other Castagnaris.. nice furniture) ...
I agree, but weren't you recommending the Castagnari 4-stop "Melodeon" in a discussion we had not so long ago? 
I do not single out "English" concertinas as being wimpy...
That's good of you. Everybody seems to like to gang up on the English these days, but I think it's only jealousy. Sometimes it's very enjoyable to pick up a truly "musical" instrument that has a pleasant tone and actually plays perfectly in any key you could possibly want, instead of having to choose keys that suit the 10-key melodeon and "fudging" notes half the time ...
By the way, it's amazing how the sound of the concertina carries, when you get away from the music you can hear it above everything else. Wimpy?
Anyway, doesn't Wimpey stand for We Import More Paddies Every Year? (At least, that's what they used to say in London.) Nothing Wimpish there! (But some great box players. )
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I have owned 2 LillYs ( as well as 5 other Castagnaris.. nice furniture) and no.. they dont sound like concertinas.. even if the concertinas are accordion reeded..
They do to me.. that is, when my wife's playing her Edgley concertina, playing the exact same notes as I'm playing on the Lilly, and I'm not using basses, I can't tell the difference. Probably better ears than mine can hear the difference (or if I wasn't playing, but had the luxury of listening as a 3rd party).
I was playing in a band last night for dancers - three fiddlers (including myself), two english concertinas, a tenor recorder, and a mandolin. From where I was (ear about 4" from the left f-hole of my LOUD fiddle) I could only hear the recorder to my right, fiddle to my left, and occasional chords from the ECs. Our regular melodeonist wasn't present, had he been I'm sure I'd have heard him!
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The BUtton Box recently had an 8 reed Baldoni ( I believe)
I must admit I was tempted
Castagnaris.. I have had good and bad luck with Castagnaris. The worst was a Mory the best was a Hascy.. the melodeons are soooo much better built than the majority of Cajun built 1 rows ( I have owned 2 custom made for me.. and played many others) different to be sure.. especially with respect to the reed blocks.. The Castagnari Melodeon (MAX to some) has the most awkward and ridiculous bass box and air button placment. But I got used to that in no time...Adaptation.
Look.. Castagnaris are favored by the French.. that has got to tell you something... I could go on a Castagnari rant but it would serve no purpose..but IMNSHO their high prices led to their mystique and desirability.. NOT the suppose quality.. their quality control is no better than any one elses and the Castagnari of today is NOT the Castagnari of 10 years ago.
Note that most players of Irish music.. and most Irish players, do NOT play Castagnaris. Certainly there are exceptions such as Sharon Shannon.. but she plays in a different style than most Irish players... and has small hands that could suffer through a Tommy.
A rather well known dealer of Castagnaris once said to me when I was in a weak state of mind and considering buying a new Lilly at a near give away price.. " save your money for a real box" .. his words.. not mine. And to sure there are die hard Lilly players like Neil McRitchie ( ex Hobgoblin) but note he has owned larger Castagnaris. I like the idea of the Lilly just not the actualization. And no.. they don;t sound like concertinas..but admittedly they sound concertina like..... sorta like a Morris Oxford is like a Lotus owing to 4 wheels.. but that is where the similarity ends
Wimpy... ah yes Wimpy Bars.. first had one of those Wimpy "burgers" in the summer of 65... they were right Wimpy not quite the real deal.. but fills a niche...small.. not quite enough to satisfy and 2 just compounds the problem.....
I think the English concertina is a brilliant concept.. but supported by the thumb and the pinky... it is as if it was designed by a yuppie... looks good and doesn't work.
The playing position paralyzes and renders inoperative the very instruments of the intended concept.. buttons to be pushed by immobilized fingers. I will note that Simon Thoumire does not use his pinkies as a support mechanism ( from my limited observation) Must one suffer contortion in order to extract those little tinkly tones best fit for........roach extermination
and what's with those sonic bat tones in the higher registers.. c'mon.. no one uses them,, bag em
One funny note.... when I got my first English Wheatstone treble .. the mint ebony raised end unit in 1/2 pitch high original tuning...... I had it for a couple weeks... could not figure out hopw to play the little device.... actually held it so that the rows were vertical... you know like a real instrument .. the melodeon.... what a stupid design .. so I offed ot to a veteran local player.. ( more on that story another time) who promptly held it with the buttons in a horizontal fashion and brilliantly knocked out 3 or 4 IRISH tunes..... so be it.... off it went....
When I hold the usual 30 button anglo Concertina.. whether a Jeffries a Wheatstone or a Ceili with hands slipped through the straps.. as do most players... I must then curl my fingers back and inwards to strike the buttons... If I pull my hands back through the straps such that my fingers can curl in a normal relaxed somewhat 90 degree fashion the strap is over my knuckles and immobilizes my fingers..now that is a wimpy box... Lets either get the handles back where they allow actual play.. or make the box bigger and what's with those pinhead buttons so close together that playing two adjacent buttons is best accomplished with one finger.... the answer of course is that when the instruments were designed the average human was 15% smaller than todays average humanoid.. so lets get up to speed.. bigger boxes for the new age ....what is needed is a serious reconsideration with respect to good old fashioned manliness.. something for a proper meat fisted player... a.melodeon
I do suppose lessons and exposure to other concertina players might help but that would seriously impact valuable spare time .....best spent polishing my shop floor or dusting my chisels
Moral.. one mans Wimpy is another man's burger.
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(Date Posted:18/09/2006 21:59:13)
Jeff,
With your descriptions of playing the Tommy and English concertinas , I take it you have farmer's hands. With my dinky
paws , I have no problem with a Tommy.
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(Date Posted:19/09/2006 04:55:57)
And there you have it folks.. proof straight from Britain...
Tommy's are for "dinky" folk ! : )
Dinky= wimpy
I have Murrican hands.. actually used and conditioned by hard work and for something other than W----ing (around on a concertina or a Tommy or a Lilly)
Note that the Saltarelle version of the 2 row 1 reed.. the Epsilon, was designed for adult hands... ie wider spacing and now that the qulity of reeds have come to parity the Epsilon might be an alternative to the diminutive LillY.... best played with Lilly hands...
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(Date Posted:20/09/2006 21:15:40)
Reply to : Jeff H
...Tommy's are for "dinky" folk ! : )
I have checked with my wife and can assure this Tommy player is far from dinky!
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Jeff H
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(Date Posted:21/09/2006 03:51:51)
Verrrry funny ! ! !
Of course I have a witty reply
but considering this is a forum of mixed company I will refrain
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(Date Posted:21/09/2006 17:54:39)
Reply to : Lester Bailey
I have checked with my wife and can assure this Tommy player is far from dinky!
Well, possibly due to my avoidance of the Golden Arches, I AM quite dinky (as are my hands) but I'm neither wimpy no w***y.
Tommys rule, eh Lester?
Roy.
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(Date Posted:21/09/2006 19:39:22)
Reply to : Jeff H
I have Murrican hands.. actually used and conditioned by hard work and for something other than W----ing (around on a concertina or a Tommy or a Lilly)
I have no idea what you mean. Could it refer to ' Wombling around on a concertina or a Tommy' perhaps? I love the Wombles, but never knew that you could play like one. Perhaps this could be a suggestion for a new module at Melodeons at Witney. One-row Wombling possibly? Cross-row wombling for advanced players? EWW (Elementary Wombling Workshop) ?
I'll mention it to Dave Townsend when I see him next.
Not that you are likely to need such tuition, as I suspect from reading your posts you are an expert wombler yourself. Got any good tips?
Oh - despite working down t'pit and on t'rigs for 20-odd years, I have small hands. By 'eck they can get round a Tommy or a concertina (AND a G-chanter.)
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(Date Posted:21/09/2006 21:22:11)
Reply to : Steve_freereeder
Oh - despite working down t'pit and on t'rigs for 20-odd years, I have small hands. By 'eck they can get round a Tommy or a concertina (AND a G-chanter.)
GASP - A G chanter? You must have delicate little digits. Now here's a thing. My dad was a miner (well a "coal hewer" according to my birth certificate) and he played squeezebox too. Mind you, he didn't have particularly small hands - OUCH.
Roy.
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Jeff H
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(Date Posted:22/09/2006 05:13:26)
Wombling is one too many letters
I have owned a fair amount of diatonic accordions..
5 of them (maybe 6) were Castagnaris, the Mory was playable ( after considerable time and expense), the Hascy was an excellent box, the Lillys were "cute" they and the Tommy had buttons too close together...I am not the only person to make mention of this.. check the archives on other accordion discussion groups
My opinion was that the Tommy (and Lilly) are well made over rated accordions...the early ones were much better.. (reed quality) and had fuller basses ( more reeds) cost cutting and price raising are not only an American trait....
The Tommy ( as I have said before) was the only box I have ever owned that ran out of air...and I have played large and small and leaky boxes (where you must learn JABM ( judicious air button manipulatiion)
If the Tommy fits... wear it.... same for the Lilly.... like em .. buy em... Ottopasuuna (sp) used a Lilly to get great sound son one of their early casettes....and that is why I bought one
That and one somewhat famous lady accordioniste , who when I posed the question , are the Lillys toys or a serious instrument... was offended by my question and of course said they were not.. that they were serious professional accordions... thanks a lot..
But if you want a concertina sound buy a concertina, not a Lilly
And Neil wherever you are.. I forgive you for you Lilly adoration....
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