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Robin Harrison
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(Date Posted:31/10/2007 00:59:25)

I've done a M.net site search but turned up nothing. I am wondering if there are "standard" chord/basses that are customary when you ask for 18 basses on your ADG melodeon, rather than the more usual 12. What are the extra 6 you would choose ? Thanks Robin

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(Date Posted:31/10/2007 01:22:42)

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I've done a M.net site search but turned up nothing. I am wondering if there are "standard" chord/basses that are customary when you ask for 18 basses on your ADG melodeon, rather than the more usual 12. What are the extra 6 you would choose ? Thanks Robin




Bernard Loffet has his 18 bass layout documented here: http://www.diato.org/accordeons_loffet.htm#3r ... a fairly typical 18 bass layout I gather, but I can't really see the logic behind it! I'm sure he's thought it through though, he's a *very* accomplished player and builder.

Personally, if I was designing an 18 bass I'd probably go for a unisonoric layout on the 12 basses to get (for a D/G) G, C, D, A, Em, Bm in both directions, and with the extra row of basses go for F, Bb, Eb, C#, G#, F# in whatever direction suited my accidentals. You'd probably want the F# on the push, and F on the pull.

Cheers,

Clive
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(Date Posted:01/11/2007 00:33:15)

I just got one of Bernard's 18 bass boxes in the last couple of months and although I had him shift some of the buttons around so the 12 bass layout was the same as my layout (normal Saltarelle 2.5 row style).  It makes a lot of sense - and actually the 3rd row that Bernard has come up with makes the most sense I have ever seen from a D/G + accidentals system.  Having played it for a while now feels like playing a normal melodeon with a "black note" row which falls fairly easily under the fingers.

Clive - the logic behind most current 18 bass layouts is keeping them sounding like a melodeon while giving you a fully chromatic instrument.  Going unisonoric makes you sound like (God forbid) a piano accordion player.  The melodeon qualities of the G push D pull bass/chord buttons when playing bass to a tune is easy to uderestimate.  If you remove this then you are not going to soud like a melodeon player at all.

FYI my layout is:

        Bellows
________________
E/C#  Bb/G# Eb/F#
C/C     B/E      F#/F
G/D     D/A      A/G

Which gives me C,G,D,A,E,F# in both directions and B,F,Bb,Eb,G#,C# one way only.  Bernard Loffet doesn't have thirds in his chords so major and minor are not relevant here.

Cheers

Squeezy

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Bernard Loffet has his 18 bass layout documented here: http://www.diato.org/accordeons_loffet.htm#3r ... a fairly typical 18 bass layout I gather, but I can't really see the logic behind it! I'm sure he's thought it through though, he's a *very* accomplished player and builder.Personally, if I was designing an 18 bass I'd probably go for a unisonoric layout on the 12 basses to get (for a D/G) G, C, D, A, Em, Bm in both directions, and with the extra row of basses go for F,
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